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1768 Herries & Co.

            The following is a letter from Paris and relates to the merchant activities of Messrs. Herries & Co.  The collection also contains a letter of 12th September 1768 - From James Hunter to Sir William Forbes Bart, Messrs Herries & Co, London which readers may also find of interest.


     

The spelling and punctuation are as per the letter which reads as follows.

 

To:                 Messrs Herries & Co., London.

 

From:             Robert Herries, Paris

 

Dated:            21st. November 1768.

 

Dear Sir,

 

          I find I omitted to inclose in any letter to you of last post, the last to me from Park – you have it now herewith.  I have been thinking that were we to adhere strictly to our rules on the present occasion it might oversite him and by that means a greater disappointment ensue to ourselves that what we receive in the way he proposes.  I believe it would therefore be better for all parties to comply for this once, telling him that on my return we shall concur a plan for future transactions & insist on his either keeping strictly up to it or shutting all acco’ts with us; for this work with him & his connections will never do.  Pray how do the Halls behave?  But I am asking you a question as if I were to stay here for your answer.  Our predecessors have also been ridden over as hard by particular employers which you will know ended ill and deprived them of the means as well as diverted their attention from receiving the generality of their employers.  We must not be so, cost us what it will, and of late on getting into correspondence by Park’s means with a parcell of ****** (1) which we had better I think avoid as discreditable for such a house as ours.  But if we resolve to reform root & branch of all such respectability I hope thou who whither we will or will not, will continue to lean to heavily on our small capital. Lett us by all means give them as much time as we can and do everything as gentilly as possible.  I have not seen my fried Msr ***** (2) since I last wrote you but I expect to see him tomorrow & to know the result of what he has been doing for us.  His Excellency Baron Schimmelmann his Danish Majesty’s Minister of Commerce asked me the other day for the Firm’s of the three houses I am concerned in at London, Edinburgh and Barcelona and desired me to tell the acting Partners to inform his House of Trade at Copenhagen & Hamburg under the firm of Baron Schimmelmann, without his titles, whether anything be done between those places, which we shall take into consideration at any return.  I still hope this may be about 5 or 6 *****s (3) if the wind answer and if the King should not desire me to return him from Chantilly.  You did not expect I fancy that your friend was to partake in entertainments him given by the Princes of the Blood.  There are things which may not happen in an age & you’ll not blame I dare say for profiting of the present opportunity.

 

I am

 

          Dear Chevalier,

 

                   Your obedient servant.

 

                             Rob’t Herries.

 

 

 

          Dealing firstly with the addressee Messrs Herries & Co.  This firm did not restrict its activities solely to banking.  It was more akin to a Merchant firm which was formed by Robert Herries, Sir William Forbes and James Hunter as a consequence of a number of disagreements and revised partnership involving the famous Coutts banking firm.  The Coutts brothers already worked with William Forbes and sought to involve both William Cochrane and Robert Herries in order to strengthen the firm.  This firm traded as Herries, Cochrane & Co. although it was clear from the outset that Cochrane and Herries did not work well together and Herries, being the dominant Partner, saw Cochrane ousted in 1766 when the 3 year Herries, Cochrane & Co. contract expired.  The business thereafter operated simply as Herries & Co.

 

           The Sender, Robert Herries, was a Scot and the son of an impoverished laird, John Herries of Halldykes in Dumfries.  Robert Herries was amongst other things a successful and well respected wine merchant and was based in Barcelona.  His experienced undoubtedly assisted the brothers James and Thomas Coutts in the development of the banking business although he appears to have been a sometimes ruthless individual who dominated the Edinburgh and London “branches of Coutts” and his determination, ruthlessness and underhand business ethics frequently led to confrontation and distrust.

 

 

           He is renowned for two key activities in his business life.  The first (about 1768) was the invention of the Universal Letter of Credit (see letter of 12th September 1768 referred to above) and the second (about 1772) was the courting of the French Farmers General (Ferme Generale) – in essence the French bankers responsible for collecting taxes – and won from them exclusive right to export tobacco to France, which he bought from Merchants in Glasgow who had purchased their tobacco in North America.  Glasgow is well known to have developed considerably as a consequence of the import and export of tobacco by the “Tobacco Lords” and this was no doubt a consequence of the shortest European sea route being from Glasgow to North America.  Herries caused some ill will in Glasgow as a consequence of the manner in which he won the contract from the existing supplier and do doubt as a consequence of the  jealously of  merchants in Glasgow who saw a significant market closed to them – unless they used Herries.  It appears that Herries was himself badly treated by the French some years later when the contract was lost.  He had further difficulties insofar as the war with America co-existed with his trade and following which, in 1783, the United States, being no longer subject to the terms of the Navigation Act, supplied France direct with tobacco.  Robert Herries died in 1815.

 

            Turning now to the contents of the letter.

 

            In his Memoirs of a Banking House Forbes advises that “I afterwards went to London in 1768 – where I remained for a twelvemonth on Mr Herries going again to Spain…” and this, when considered with the simple “Dear Sir” salutation, suggests to me that this is a letter which Herries has written for Forbes to read with there being no thought of it being intercepted by any other party.  This is perhaps reflective of the considerable working difficulties which existed in this Firm.

 

           The first part of the letter deals with, I suspect, fairly routine aspects of business.  It asks of the Halls (regrettably a name I cannot identify) and also makes reference to Park.  I suspect that Park was Sir James Gordon of Park – a member of the Scottish nobility - although this is based on Gordon being Scottish and possessed of means at a time when Herries was looking to raise capital for his Universal Letter of Credit activities.

 

          Various records suggest that Herries was not averse to unscrupulous business practices and I think that comments such as “were we to adhere strictly to our rules on the present occasion” and “But if we resolve to reform root & branch of all such respectability I hope thou who whither we will or will not, will continue to lean to heavily on our small capital, Lett us by all means give them as much time as we can and do everything as gentilly as possible.” suggest to me that he is questioning the need to act properly in these transactions.

 

         In the middle of the letter there are two words which I cannot decipher.  The first (1) is, I suspect, a descriptive expression of the period whilst the second (2) is the name of a foreign contact.  The passages in question follow and I would be pleased to hear of any suggestions for these missing words.


(1)

 

     

 

 (2)


      

       

         In the second half of the letter Herries advises that he has met with His Excellency Baron Schimmelmann his Danish Majesty’s Minister of Commerce and he suggest that significant business opportunities may arise as a consequence of this meeting.

 

        Count Heinrich Carl von Schimmelmann lived from 1724 to 1782 and is described as a Collector and Entrepreneur.  He was active as a merchant in Dresden from 1744 and was appointed Councillor to the Court of Saxony.  He was also a supplier to the Prussian Court and responsible for grain deliveries during the Seven Years War (1756-63). In November 1756, he was appointed Prussian Privy Councillor, though he remained in Dresden until July 1757.

 

        He played an important role in the history of the Meissen manufactory during the war, when Saxony was occupied by the forces of Frederick the Great.  In November 1756, he purchased the entire stock of Meissen porcelain in Meissen, Dresden and Leipzig, which Frederick the Great had confiscated as war booty and was in need of funds to finance his war campaigns.  Though valued at 300,000 Talers, he managed to acquire it from the King for 120,000 Talers in cash.  He then sold it on for 160,111 Talers to a consortium of three partners.  Schimmelmann, acting as a representative for this consortium, then leased the Meissen manufactory from the beginning of March 1757.  Numerous auctions of Meissen porcelain were held in Hamburg, where Schimmelmann established himself in 1760, following the withdrawal of the Prussians from Dresden that year.  Schimmelmann's lease of the Meissen manufactory was dissolved by the Prussians in 1760.  He was raised to the nobility in 1762 as Baron, and in 1779 as Count, and entered the service of the Danish Crown in 1761.  In 1768 he was appointed Danish Finance Minister.   

 

        The greater part of his fortune was accumulated through ship ownership in the Atlantic and, especially, through massive slave-trade.  He exported calico, arms, and alcoholic beverages from his own manufactories in Denmark via Hamburg to the West Coast of Africa, and returned to the European colonies in America with countless number of slaves.  He died in Copenhagen in 1782.

 

        Returning to the letter there is again there is a word which I cannot decipher (3) although I suspect that it relates to a time period.

 

(3)

 

     

 

      The final part of the letter is where Herries “boasts” of him having been entertained by the King of France and he no doubt feels an element of guilt as he mentions you’ll not blame I dare say for profiting of the present opportunity.”  Louis XV (born 1710) ruled as King of France and Navarre from 1715 until his death in 1774.  Unexpectedly surviving the death of his entire family, he enjoyed a favourable reputation at the beginning of his reign, however, in time, his inability to reform the French monarchy, his lack of morals, and his foreign policy on the European stage lost him the support of his people, and he died as one of the most unpopular kings of France.

     The letter ends in the usual fashion although “Dear Chevalier” is used – as a form of affection – as opposed to “Dear Sir”.

     

 

 

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